Come on Guys, at least make it look like a unique bike!

RoLoo · Post by **RoLoo** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:18 pm

Blackal wrote:
there is a limit as to how different it can be from all the tourers in production already.

...could be true, but putting the (front)indicators in almost the same spot...?

...the 'designers' could have been somewhat more creative...

stubox · Post by **stubox** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:05 pm

RT wet weight 259kg
GT16 wet weight 320kg

Triumph Copy wet weight 301kg

Too heavy vs the RT , not as much oomph as the GT.

7/10 must try harder ( and not copy the german boys homework)

Stu

Blackal · Post by **Blackal** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:03 pm

RoLoo wrote:
Blackal wrote:
there is a limit as to how different it can be from all the tourers in production already.

...could be true, but putting the (front)indicators in almost the same spot...?

...the 'designers' could have been somewhat more creative...

Don't forget the wheels! If you look closely, you can see - Triumph have put them in the same place that BMW had chosen..........

It's a blatant copy.............

Al

Gromit · Post by **Gromit** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:41 pm

Blackal wrote:Yup - more shades of Kawahonda than BMW, in my opinion.

As has been said already - there is a limit as to how different it can be from all the tourers in production already.

Al

I'd tend to agree - check out the STX1300 Pan for example and you'll see a fair amount of detail from that in the 1200RT. Within the limits of current technology, there's always going to be an optimum design for aerodynamics in particular and manufacturers - for their own survival in a conservative market - aren't going to get too jiggy with making bikes look radical.

Check out the many of the sportsbikes that have been produced over the last 10 years; paint them all in solid colours and their similarities are quite striking.

slparry · Post by **slparry** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:58 am

I always mistake these for a Kawasaki because I guess of the colour

RoLoo · Post by **RoLoo** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:23 am

Blackal wrote:
Don't forget the wheels! If you look closely, you can see - Triumph have put them in the same place that BMW had chosen

...blimey...

...you're right...

Herb · Post by **Herb** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:44 am

All the bikes in this class share some styling cues. I do not think the Triumph is a deliberate attempt to plagarise, more that Triumph are entering a conservative class which is already well defined by the BMW and the Honda in particular.

I had to laugh when the BMW guy raged at Triumph for copying the GS when BMW freely admit the S1000rr borrows heavily from the GSXR in particular.

I am still waiting for Triumph to build a bike I want to buy. I would love to buy British. They were nearly there with the Sprint ST, great engine, but too heavy. Looks like I will have to wait as the market is moving away from the style of bikes I like!

Gromit · Post by **Gromit** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:53 am

Herb wrote:All the bikes in this class share some styling cues. I do not think the Triumph is a deliberate attempt to plagarise, more that Triumph are entering a conservative class which is already well defined by the BMW and the Honda in particular.

I had to laugh when the BMW guy raged at Triumph for copying the GS when BMW freely admit the S1000rr borrows heavily from the GSXR in particular.

I am still waiting for Triumph to build a bike I want to buy. I would love to buy British. They were nearly there with the Sprint ST, great engine, but too heavy. Looks like I will have to wait as the market is moving away from the style of bikes I like!

+1

And you can bet your bottom Dollar that BMW bought up each example of the best in Jap sportsbikes, stripped them down, and looked at what makes them tick.

Although I'd never be in the market for it, I'll bet that new Trophy will be a sweet bike to ride - and the engine will be a peach, albeit without the stellar oomph of the 13GT or 1400GTR. It'll sound good too.

Bikerhoss · Post by **Bikerhoss** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:56 am

Herb wrote:Although I'd never be in the market for it, I'll bet that new Trophy will be a sweet bike to ride - and the engine will be a peach, albeit without the stellar oomph of the 13GT or 1400GTR. It'll sound good too.

Agreed, but if the Trophy had a shaft drive, I would then seriously consider it against the competitor GTs.

Gromit · Post by **Gromit** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:58 am

Bikerhoss wrote:
Herb wrote:Although I'd never be in the market for it, I'll bet that new Trophy will be a sweet bike to ride - and the engine will be a peach, albeit without the stellar oomph of the 13GT or 1400GTR. It'll sound good too.
Agreed, but if the Trophy had a shaft drive, I would then seriously consider it against the competitor GTs.

It does.

slparry · Post by **slparry** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:10 pm

I'm guessing it'll become the plod bike of choice soon

sandbar · Post by **sandbar** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:13 pm

StreetFlatTwin wrote:BUT if the RT was designed in a wind tunnel and so was the Triumph I guess the computer would work out the aerodynamics pretty much the same so the result are two bikes prettymu h the same......

Ah Yes!!! The Russians used that excuse when they produced the VC10ski and the Concordski.

sandbar

Gromit · Post by **Gromit** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:14 pm

slparry wrote:I'm guessing it'll become the plod bike of choice soon

Could be - and in many ways it'd be great to see a Triumph being used by our boys in blue.

Talking of which, I got chatting to a couple of bike cops many years ago (would've been c1993) when Triumph first released the original Hinckley Trophy, and they said one of the few reasons they didn't go to Triumph was the lack of shaft drive.

Daveg2812 · Post by **Daveg2812** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:31 pm

Would be surprised if they're not already evaluating them.

Gromit · Post by **Gromit** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:42 pm

sandbar wrote:
Ah Yes!!! The Russians used that excuse when they produced the VC10ski

sandbar

The IL-62 - often wondered if the '62' bit was a nod to that being the year of the VC10's maiden flight.

<'tis one of my favourite airyplanes the VC10>