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Blackal wrote:
........It's all very well being simplistic and saying that the big manufacturers have to produce more "basic" bikes, ........
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Blackal wrote:I'm not convinced there isn't sufficient "back to basics" stuff. already on the market......... for two reasons:
1) I tend not to spend much time examining the "Bandit 600" market
2) How much variety should the large manufacturers provide in these "back to basics" bikes? By definition - those bikes should be the "Beetle" of the bike world - when you depart from that notion - it becomes a "range".....
How many varieties of Dolmio/Ragu/Lloyd Grossman et all Spaghetti Sauce are available, compared to "Tesco Savers" sauce?
A basic bike............ is a basic bike.
(right - gotta get back to my Asda lager)
Al
Fair comment, I agree the R100rs is a fine bike and one I would want in my collection but sadly the 1150gs is probably the machine that started to put one of the nails in the superbike market coffin and therefore it should be tried, stretched ,hung, drawn and quartered.JamesL wrote:Interesting thread... I guess at the end of the day there's a bike for everyone, somewhere? Tbh I guess I'm a "basic" rider; maybe Luddite. Hence the R100RS (still the finest motorcycle ever made) and the 1150GS, which is about as complex as I'm prepared to go. And each does the job for me and each gives me grin factor in its own way... I personally wouldn't spend £16k on a bike, but I'm glad people do for all the reasons discussed above. And you can buy some spectacular bikes s/h for pence it seems?
boxerscott wrote:... sadly the 1150gs is probably the machine that started to put one of the nails in the superbike market coffin and therefore it should be tried, stretched ,hung, drawn and quartered.
Bang on the oem guys do have the statistics and that is why the sub 10k litre sports bike days have long gone. and now they can afford to R+D with them and put a premium price on them. The tech from a superbike is now taken for granted to go into the X. Bulk sales are with crossovers, adv etc. Entry level kinds can be had for under 10k and they are more comfortable for the ageing ex sportsbike person.JamesL wrote:boxerscott wrote:... sadly the 1150gs is probably the machine that started to put one of the nails in the superbike market coffin and therefore it should be tried, stretched ,hung, drawn and quartered.
Hmm - I'd never thought of it like that... Nail in the superbike market, or widens the appeal of motorcycling, gets more people in to it who may go on to buy superbikees? Dunno although no doubt the OEM marketing guys have the numbers...
However, how about inverting the question... If you had a £16k hardware budget, what bike(s) would you buy?
conkerman wrote:Personally i'd like a lightweight sporty tourer with 140-150HP with good wind protection and shaft drive. And doesn't look like an elephant with a chopped off trunk (VFR1200, stand up at the back).
conkerman wrote:
Personally i'd like a lightweight sporty tourer with 140-150HP with good wind protection and shaft drive. And doesn't look like an elephant with a chopped off trunk
Blackal wrote:conkerman wrote:
Personally i'd like a lightweight sporty tourer with 140-150HP with good wind protection and shaft drive. And doesn't look like an elephant with a chopped off trunk
You've just described the new R1200RS.............
(maybe the light-weight is a bit of a stretch)
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