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Enjoying the new RT, but.....

Postby Steve1200S » Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:06 pm

I'm having fun on the RT that Rainbow where kind enough to lend me until the old RT is fixed.

Its an 09 with all the bells and whistles, traction control (why?), cruise control (ace!), heated everything and ESA (mmmmmm, not sure about it).

When I got on the bike I had a huge smile on my face, it's like an R1200S with a big fairing. It's a really quick bike. I found the gadgets a bit over the top though, especially the traction control.

After a few days though, I'm starting to consider if its any better over all than the 1150RT as I have an option of buying it(or another). But I'm not 100%, after all it does the same job as the 1150, some ways it does it not as well, but others better by far.

First off, its 5k more expensive than the old RT was, i'm not sure it's 5k better, but I want it to be because it's shiny and new(er). It's also done 15k more miles than the old bike. :shock:

Second, the old RT is a good 30kg heavier, but feels much more stable in corners and over bumpy surfaces - you can really throw it into corners as hard as you like and it's always stable. The new one turns in quicker, but gets out of shape easily.

Third, It seems to be in a very similar condition under the fairing as the old 11 year old bike, suggesting to me the newer 1200s arent made as well.

Whats really letting the bike down for me though, is the suspension, the ESA shocks are WAY too soft, even if I switch the mode to two up with luggage and the sport damping setting. The back end pogo's over bumps and takes a while to settle again, and the bike gets a bit scary in tight corners. This is leading me towards the option of buying a bog standard second hand 1200 and spend the saved money over a full spec one to add some golden shocks. :) but then again, some ohlins on the old, cheaper but just as fun 1150 would also be an option....

Last point thats getting in the way is the looks, not sure many would agree?, but the old 1150 is a much nicer looking bike in my opinion.

What do you think? -

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Postby StreetFlatTwin » Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:20 pm

Up to you but I prefer the looks of the newer 1200 and the -30Kg for everyday living with is a lot lighter!

Given the chance I always try and get the newest as BMW spend million improving the bikes and usually get it right!!
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Postby Vince » Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:21 pm

I gotta say I to prefer the looks of the newer RT, but each to there own.

I swapped out my ESA for Wilbers at 30k, dead stable in the twisties, but a little stiff for poor excuse for UK B roads on occasion. I can back off the damping should I wish, but prefer the accuracy of the slightly stiffer set up.
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Postby dave the german » Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:30 am

Also, you will have to sell the 1200s!! Being down to 1 bike, I miss my old workhorse - keep the 1150 and the 1200s and spend the money you would save on both bikes - just my opinion :lol:
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Postby Gromit » Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:43 pm

I'm with you on this Steve - I prefer the look of the 1150, it's neater, less fussy and not trying so hard styling-wise (my pet hate is over-designed bikes anyway). I'm not entirely surprised re your comments on the riding comparison too - of course the 12RT will have a fitter motor, and its relative lack of weight will help performance on its own...

...but all this very much reminds me of my old R1100R vs the 1150R; the older bike was more planted, more secure and you just felt like it was less bothered by bumps, holding its line more easily. It did feel heavier to ride but with a bit of muscle it could be ridden just as quickly, if not more so. Also reckon my 2nd 1100R (the blue one) was just as quick as the 1150R - it would readily bang into the limiter in top gear (a smidge over 130mph on the clock) the motor was that good.

I'm steadily coming round to the idea of going for an 1100 or 1150RT next year - it's the only type of Boxer I haven't owned yet, bar the RS.

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Postby Steve1200S » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:52 pm

The 1150 fairing offers better weather protection too, especially around the feet.

It does seem to plow it's way around corners, that's a point I really like about the 1150.

I am suprised at the price difference between 04 1150s and 05 1200s, there's not much in it.
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Postby sandbar » Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:37 am

Steve1200S wrote:I am suprised at the price difference between 04 1150s and 05 1200s, there's not much in it.


And that is the point! The prices of 1150RT puts much later bikes into the equation. With ex-police 3 or 4 year old 1200RT-P being available at around £4.5K - £5K against 10 year old 1150 RT at close to £4K, it was a no brainer for me. I don't regret the purchase of mine one little bit. The white has its advantages as well! My painter keeps trying to get me to let him paint it in Motorsport colours! :shock:

I totally agree that the 1150RT is a much better looking bike. I always thought (think?) that the 1200RT looks too much like a Varadero. The older style pannier system looked a lot better as well. As Richard says - the 1200RT is "trying too hard styling-wise"!

The 1150 may be heavier but this is relative. I would be very surprised if there is a 30 kg difference. They are both big heavy lumps to push around particularly with a full tank of fuel.

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Postby Steve1200S » Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:45 am

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Postby bricking it » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:11 am

The 1200 rt look overstyled and looks top-heavy to me, i prefer the 1150. As regards handling and suspension quality, seems BMW cannot build a proper shock, they all lack composure. Having just got back from 1300 miles in 3 days to the B500 in Germany, my Maxton basic rear shock has been brilliant (£520). Set up for roads, its completely controlled at 130 mph in sweepers and in the rough german lanes and B roads is incredibly comfortable. The sport bikers I was with had sore arses (the shocks were too harsh, nothing else) after 1 day.

Spend any money you have on a standard 1200 and decent shocks, at least thats what I would do.
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Postby Steve1200S » Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:14 pm

See, to me this seems like a better option (If I was buying from scratch) than a 5/6k 1200.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-R-1150-RT-RED-2004-/290724473544?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item43b0876ac8

Looks nice in red. :D
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Postby sandbar » Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:24 pm

Steve1200S wrote:See, to me this seems like a better option (If I was buying from scratch) than a 5/6k 1200.


That depends on the price! At the moment it is £3600 - reserve not met, so I am guessing that the guy wants over £4K.

My earlier comments still apply!

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Postby Gromit » Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:25 pm

That looks like one very sweet RT. :)

Decent pictures too - can never understand those who don't take their time to take some decent photos of their bike(s) when selling. Makes a world of difference.

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Postby StreetFlatTwin » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:43 pm

I have been watching this on eBay

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290723118872? ... _500wt_922

And this one as well

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130696833938? ... _500wt_922

Both are really nice.......

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Postby Steve1200S » Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:40 am

Good quality bikes, I think at that price it's worth the extra for the 1200 motor. Still an unglier bike than the 1150 though! :wink:
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Postby Gromit » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:00 pm

I like the ad's wording for the second one - 'Selling due to my age'. How old do you have to be to be too old for an RT???? :lol:

Nice bikes, all the same. :)


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