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Is the R12RS a worthy successor of the R11S?

Absolutely, and takes the driving experience to a new level!
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Not even close, a completely different beast made for touring and more similar to the K13S
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R1200RS

Postby victorlaszlo » Mon Jul 25, 2016 11:32 pm

So... I've got an R11S and an R12S.

They clearly serve 2 different purposes where my R11S is the bike I can take the gf and luggage on vacation, whereas the driving pleasure the R12S provides is unmatched.

Having 2 (3 counting the R80) bikes is quite a job in terms of maintenance, washing, insurances, tax, tyres etc etc etc and I'd love to combine the purposes of the 2 bikes into one, preferably as new or newer than the R12S so to minimise maintenance.

I figure that if I sell off my 2-3 bikes I can easily fund an R12S and having looked at the specs, but not driven one yet, the following seems to be the case:

Engine-wise the R12RS and R12S seem quite similar, but the weight of the R12RS is the same as the R11S. In terms of dimensions they are similar but the R12RS has 2° more rake than both the S bikes, which indicates slower turning and more touring biased handling.

The luggage capability of the R12RS outmatches the R11S as it has bigger and better panniers and easily fits a top box as well.

In addition it comes with electronic suspension, quick-shifter, ABS and traction control, something I'd love as I often feel i'm loosing grip on the rear tire coming out of sharp corners and roundabouts.

The question really is, for you who have ridden one, is the R12RS the bike that the R12S should have been, a worthy successor of the R11S in the sense of being a Victoriknox version of a bike, one bike does all?

Or is it too heavy and slow turning to provide that driving satisfaction both the R11S and especially the R12S offers on twisty roads?

I have searched without finding an answer to this but apologise if this has been discussed to death previously...

Let me know your thoughts, I'm going to try to book a test drive as soon as possible but who knows when that will be considering the waiting queues at Park Lane...

And styling wise, besides that exhaust, I think it's a pretty stunning bike :)

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Postby andy griff » Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:41 am

Happy to tip in here. I know Paul has also got a 12RS

I bought exactly a year ago today and have owned 2 x 1100S and 1200S having about 8 years ownership of those models.

So, lets get straight to it - the R1200RS is a worthy successor to the 1100S and probably has more in common with that than the more singularly focused 1200S, but it has not been designed with the sporting pretensions of the 1100S either.

Like the 1100S, it has boxer character, all day comfortable yet can be ridden in a very sportsmanlike manner. It can carry luggage and a pillion, has decent tank range. Unlike the 1100S it has all manner of 21st century gadgets that take the ring experience up a level ( if that's your bag). Riding modes, Electronic suspension, traction control, integrated SatNav.

The 1200S was a great bike and I loved mine, but its fact that i did less mileage on it than my 1100S mainly because of ergos and pillion capacity. One up with soft luggage I did some good miles but I now realise at some discomfort in the wrists and shoulders. The 1200S probably has more raw character then either the 1100S or 1200RS because it was less compromised - sort of swings and roundabouts.

The 1200RS will not go down in BMW history in the same way as the 1100S because the company has progressed and the 1200RS is not such a departure from what went before - the 1100S took the boxer engine into new territory whereas there have been RS models before - but it is a worthy successor in the sports touring slot.

I did 600 miles on my RS this weekend, including sections of Welsh roads that I grew up riding and which are among the best anywhere - the 1200RS was a blast, and made me grin more than the 1100S or 1200S when all was said and done. :D

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Postby dave the german » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:28 am

I took an RS for a brief test ride and thought it fantastic - apart from the traditional forks - I have to stress it was a brief test ride and maybe some fiddling would have sorted it but I think for 2 up touring it would be spot on. Would it be possible to get rid of other bikes and keep the 12s as well?
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Postby victorlaszlo » Tue Jul 26, 2016 12:22 pm

Good feedback, indeed!

On a "sport touring spectrum", ranging from -10 (R12RT) via 0 (R11S) to 10 (R12S), where would you place it?

Keeping the 12S could be an option but ideally I'd stay with one bike only (famous last words I know)...

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Postby SP250 » Tue Jul 26, 2016 2:48 pm

I've also owned the 11S (since new) and had Andy's 12S for a year (just sold last month) and like Dave I test rode the 12RS for 60 miles or so. I also test rode the S1000XR on the same day, but that is an entirely different bag of fish.

The 12S is a sportier ride than the 11S but the RS matches it.
For touring one or two up, I would take the 11S if I could get rid of my arthritic joints.
The RS felt lower and more comfortable than either of the other two and I would be happy having it as my only bike.......

If only I hadn't ridden the XR, which is a bonkers performance bike with a sit up riding position, but it would be worse at touring.
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Postby victorlaszlo » Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:37 pm

Why do you prefer the R11S to the R12S?

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Postby dave the german » Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:04 pm

I prefer the 12s to my Boxercup - it is lower (I'm 6' 1" so don't have a problem getting on the bike) seems to be a lot lighter (don't know official weights) and just is a more fun ride IMHO. I never thought I would get rid of my BCR but I'm thinking of selling it. If I'd had the spare cash when John first put his 12s up for sale I would now be the proud owner of 2 1200s'. If I'm going out for a leisurely ride with no final destination in mind, I pick either my GS or 12s. Can't give a better reason than I enjoy the 12 more than the 11 but I don't usually have a pillion and I have the GS in case I do
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Postby SP250 » Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:25 pm

VL

I don't prefer the 11S to the 12S.

In fact riding solo I would pick the 12 every time, with the 11 being more pillion friendly.

I sold the 12 due to riding position and needing painkillers for arthritis not because I didnt like it.
I may also sell the 11S once I find a touring style bike which is all day comfortable without needing painkillers.
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Postby victorlaszlo » Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:36 pm

I see...

I'm test riding the RS on Saturday so will be able to report back then :)

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Postby The Teutonic Tangerine » Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:38 pm

I'm confused the Poll asked about the R1100s v R1200RS and then everyone starts on about the R1200s. the poll is about two bikes but we get opinions about three bikes :scratch: :scratch: :scratch:
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Postby victorlaszlo » Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:44 pm

Well, there is the poll, and then there's the discussion :) One doesn't exclude the other, the latter is more to understand exactly where it sits and then it's unavoidable to take the 12S into consideration...

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Postby er-minio » Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:45 pm

I'll volunteer to get the R80 off Victor... :D as said last week at the pub already :lol:
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Postby victorlaszlo » Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:46 pm

Hahahah - it's for sale with viewing booked in for Saturday :D

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Postby er-minio » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:59 pm

Seriously? :D Send me the ad via FB! I'll have a look too!
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